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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.11.30 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 30/11/2005 12:22:47
With this announcement, the Electus Matari, for a long time a voice of restraint from within the Republic, have permanently marked themselves as enemies of the Amarrian way of life.
I urge all those who may deal with the EM to cease doing so with immediate effect.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.11.30 12:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Shemar
Actually I feel quite the urge to do the opposite.
I think the Electus Matari are doing the right thing, for their people, their government and ultimately for the universal community.
Their moderate, responsible way of going about things has earned my respect.
Hve you forgotten Mabnen so quickly?
Even if the EM and UK are telling the truth when they say that they do not wish to weaponise Insorum, once it is in wide circulation there will be nothing to stop others doing so.
The Minmatar seperatists cannot be allowed to open the Pandora's box of Insorum.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.11.30 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Shemar
Actually I feel quite the urge to do the opposite.
I think the Electus Matari are doing the right thing, for their people, their government and ultimately for the universal community.
Their moderate, responsible way of going about things has earned my respect.
Hve you forgotten Mabnen so quickly?
Even if the EM and UK are telling the truth when they say that they do not wish to weaponise Insorum, once it is in wide circulation there will be nothing to stop others doing so.
The Minmatar seperatists cannot be allowed to open the Pandora's box of Insorum.
We are telling the truth. We will not use this as a weapon.
If you are so deeply concerned about somebody else, aside from the Blood Raiders, weaponising Insorum there is an alternative to this course of action. The Amarr Empire can cure all of the men, women and children it has poisoned with Vitoc and free every last Matari held in slavery. Do this and there ceases to be a need for this research.
Your threats reveal your true nature, Thrace.
Not only would such a mass de-slaving deny billions of Minmatars the chance to be enlightened, it would be impractical as the UK, EM and Republic could not afford to feed, clothe and house them all.
You're not interested in the de-slavement of your kind, you're merely seeking the end of our Empire because you hate our way of life.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.11.30 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 30/11/2005 23:27:32
Originally by: Midnighter
Edited by: Midnighter on 30/11/2005 22:35:56
The way I see it, we do not have to threaten the Amarrian soveriegnty and rites with Insorum.
Maybe you don't want to, but rest assured that there are those who do want to. Even if those who develop Insorum don't wish to use it for military purposes, they will still have the responsibility to keep it from those who do. Even a mighty Caldari megacorporation could not keep Inosrum to itself. What makes you think the Electus Matari or Ushra'Khan can?
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We use it to save our Republic the millions of isk and months upon months it has to spend dealing with Vitoc sufferers.
If the Republic doesn't want to spend the money there's a simple solution. Send the slaves back to their homes in the Empire.
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It makes the integration easier.
That's just what we say about Vitoc.
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We never have to crop dust cities with it for giggles,
Now you insult the memory of those who died on Mabnen.
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but we'll have a second line of defence
Aah, so you do want to develop military applications.
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if the Amarr navy ever sends another Vitoc bomb towards the fringe systems.
Why would the Navy do such a thing?.
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Insorum will not slay the Empire where it stands and will not liberate the billions we miss and long for.
Correct.
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It is a means to an honourable end - the reccuperation of those we have liberated with our work and the protection against the ravages of that sick chemical.
Or to put it another way, you'll be involved in the mass treatment of a population without fully understanding the side-effects. How very honourable.
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If we wanted to just toxic bomb Amarr prime, we would send a fleet of Hounds rigged with conventional gas toxins and chemical warheads to fly low atmosphere bombing runs.
Instead we choose a more noble application of this rare drug.
You know what would happen if you ever tried such a thing. The fact that you have even thought about such an act speaks volumes.
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United the Minmatar will defeat the curse of Vitoc that has plagued too many generations.
You Minmatar will only ever be united under God and the Empire. Without proper guidance you fall back to your same old petty squables amongst yourselves.
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We will set right one more wrong met upon us in the name of "enlightenment".
The long term benefits of enlightenment are well-known. Just ask any Udorian or Ni-Kunni.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.12.01 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Father Goose
Please tell me, when an Amarrs vitoc-ensnared slave becomes enlightened, assuming the attempt to enlighten them is even made, what is done about their vitoc dependency?
You seem to have forgotten what enlightenment is all about.
It's not something that happens overnight. Rather it's the result of a process that can take many generations to complete. In your case, perhaps a mistake has been made and your ancestor was not ready for citizenship. I think that maybe I'll arrange for all of your living relatives to participate in psychometric tests to see if this is the case.
The Vitoc Method is unlikely to be used on slaves nearing enlightenment, and so your question rarely arises. In those cases where a Vitoc-using slave is granted citizenship however, it would be normal for him to be able to procure his own drugs.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.12.01 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
A Minmatar slave that has become a citizen of the Empire?
Where upon is such a person? The accurrsed tratiors, the Nefantar were never your slaves, just collabarators. Traitors to their own.
You still dont understand us. You will never crush our spirit and you will never make us forget who we are.
I was referring to what has happened in the past to Ni-Kunnis and Udorians.
I have no doubt that we'll see Minmatar citizens in the future, just as soon as there are some who have overcome their base instincts and become enlightened.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.12.01 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Shakor
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Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
Well my goodness, if that doesn't discribe the Amarr then i don't know what does.
How was their original use of force lawful when they occupied Matar and enslaved us with no reason almost a thousand years ago? Can you answer that for me?
The occupation of Matar was perfectly legal under Amarrian law.
Slavery is legal under Amarrian law.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.12.01 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Darius Shakor
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Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
Well my goodness, if that doesn't discribe the Amarr then i don't know what does.
How was their original use of force lawful when they occupied Matar and enslaved us with no reason almost a thousand years ago? Can you answer that for me?
The occupation of Matar was perfectly legal under Amarrian law.
Slavery is legal under Amarrian law.
Hahaha, if Amarr law can be applied in Matari space then the reverse is also true. Slavery is illegal under Matari law. Therefore by your own statement the Ushra'Khan are legally allowed to kill slavers. 
Your logic is flawed.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.12.01 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
No it isn't.
Yes it is.
The difference is that during it's stewardship of Matar, the Amarr Empire did not recognise Minmatar law.
Now, however, the Minmatar Republic does recognise Amarrian Law, owing to the fact that both states are contributors to Concord.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.12.01 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Thank you Athena, I nearly missed your update obscured as it was by a stream fanatical drivel and tired rhetoric.
Just think, if you stopped posting your tired rhetoric and fanatical drivel you'd have spotted it sooner.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.12.01 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 01/12/2005 13:24:49
Originally by: Sarkos
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
No it isn't.
Yes it is.
The difference is that during it's stewardship of Matar, the Amarr Empire did not recognise Minmatar law.
Now, however, the Minmatar Republic does recognise Amarrian Law, owing to the fact that both states are contributors to Concord.
Well Rodj;
Though never officially stated, the Amarr acceptance of the Minmatar Republic signing the Yulai Accord is a direct acceptance of the souvereinty of the Minmatar Republc and it's laws. Now, slavery is unlawful in the Republic, therefore we are within the law to enact any action that can release those freed from your neurotoxin enslavement.
Your laws do not apply here.
Sarkos
But slaves born within the Empire, and who have spent their entire lives within the Empire are subject to Amarrian law.
So why do you terrorists insist on coming into Amarrian space to break Amarrian law?
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.12.01 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 01/12/2005 13:50:56
Originally by: Sarkos
Edited by: Sarkos on 01/12/2005 13:42:38
Well Rodj we both know that slavers still raid Minmatar space to procure new slaves, and since the Amarr Empire seem unconcerned with this crime, we feel it nessessary to retrieve them. If we happen to free some slaves born in Amarr space, well accidents happen. :)
Sarkos
We both know that slaves raided from Minmatar space account for only a tiny proportion of slaves in the Empire.
The necessity for such raids would decrease sharply were it not for the need to replace slaves stolen and killed by terrorists such as yourself.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.12.01 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Since when do we give two isks what slavers think?
We go into Amarr space, we kill slavers and we return our people home.
That is what we do.
Thank you for that unambiguous confirmation that you are a bunch of terrorists.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.12.02 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 02/12/2005 11:58:31
Originally by: Darius Shakor
Subject to interpritation. I could call you common murderers for killing Dr Hnolku. Remember that was done in Minmatar space, not Caldari space. I don't know about your laws, but in ours assassins are usually executed. Don't try and hold the high ground on this issue with your cold Caldari corporate laws.
Thank you for the confirmation that you are aware that your government considers assassination to be wrong.
Tell me, under Republic law, what is the legal difference between killing a thief and killing a slaver?
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.12.02 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Tell me, under Republic law, what is the legal difference between killing a thief and killing a slaver?
Under Caldari law I would imagine there would be no difference. However, if you can show me a list of Amarrian Laws, I will happily show you a list or Republic Laws.
Tell me, under Amarrian law, what is the legal opinion of killing and murdering millions of Matari?
I will gladly tell you.
Just as soon as I've seen a satisfactory answer to my question.
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